This week, we sit down with Tan Sri Syed Zainal Abidin to talk about leading from discomfort. 

Topics discussed:

- Why he would spend 30 minutes a day assembling car seats even as a CEO
- Feeling the pain in order to fix the pain
- Idris and Tan Sri Syed being in the "deep s**t club" during the GLC Transformation days
- From "kill Proton" to becoming Proton CEO
- What's the function of a CEO's Transformation Office?
- The art of managing stakeholders
- Finding meaning in spirituality 
- 3 types of knowledge to impart for the next generation

Tan Sri Syed Zainal is the Chairman of DNEX. He was he former Deputy MD at Perodua who oversaw the development of the Myvi before going on to become CEO of Proton. 

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Dato Sri Idris Jala is a former minister (ranked by Bloomberg in 2014 as the Top 10 Most Influential Policy Makers in the World) and Chairman of PEMANDU Associates and Heineken Malaysia, as well as Co-Chairman of Sunway Group.

Leon Jala is the Executive Pastor at HTBB Church where he heads Leadership Development and Innovation. He is also a Board Member of PEMANDU Associates where he serves as Vice Chair.

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#81 | Leading From Discomfort (Tan Sri Syed Zainal) | Idris & Leon Jala